{"id":74035,"date":"2024-07-06T16:17:40","date_gmt":"2024-07-06T20:17:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/autosector.com\/?p=74035"},"modified":"2024-07-06T16:17:40","modified_gmt":"2024-07-06T20:17:40","slug":"liebherr-says-its-big-hydrogen-wheel-loader-beats-bevs-are-they-right","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/autosector.com\/?p=74035","title":{"rendered":"Liebherr says its big hydrogen wheel loader beats BEVs \u2013\u00a0are they right?"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"img-border featured-image\">\n\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" width=\"1400\" height=\"700\" src=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr_hydrogen_MAIN.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1400\" class=\"skip-lazy wp-post-image\" alt=\"Liebherr premiere: first large wheel loader with hydrogen engine and first hydrogen filling station in Salzburg\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr_hydrogen_MAIN.jpg?w=320&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr_hydrogen_MAIN.jpg?w=640&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr_hydrogen_MAIN.jpg?w=1024&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr_hydrogen_MAIN.jpg?w=1500&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1500w\" decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\"\/><\/figure>\n<p>Liebherr is pressing ahead with its efforts to phase out fossil fuels on its job sites, <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/05\/18\/caterpillar-is-putting-massive-240-ton-electric-haul-truck-to-work-in-vale-mine\/\">but they don\u2019t think battery-electric is the best solution for the heaviest heavy equipment<\/a> \u2013\u00a0and the company\u2019s latest hydrogen-powered wheel loader seems like it\u2019s struggling to prove that point.<\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-370603\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Despite the company\u2019s efforts to <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/01\/25\/liebherr-converted-this-massive-mining-excavator-to-electric-power\/\">convert some of the largest construction and mining machines on Earth to battery-electric<\/a> power (<a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/04\/20\/liebherr-electric-excavator-reaches-million-ton-milestone-scores-more-orders\/\">efforts that have seen more than a million tons of material muscled aside<\/a>),\u00a0the company says it\u2019s struggling to make a 40+ ton electric wheel loader make commercial sense. <\/p>\n<p>At first blush, these seem like contradictory statements \u2013\u00a0but hang on. Mining equipment like massive excavators and 100+ ton haul trucks spend a ton of time in one place, and tend to operate in environments that have consistent access to grid power. <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/03\/26\/massive-liebherr-mobile-electric-crane-lifts-300-tons-in-the-netherlands\/\">That\u2019s why it makes sense for Liebherr to electrify its 300 ton mobile container crane<\/a>, but why it may not make sense to electrify anything much bigger than <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/01\/29\/liebherr-launches-first-ever-electric-compact-wheel-loader\/\">their L 507 E compact loader<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Liebherr believes batteries don\u2019t makes sense for equipment like this 40 ton wheel loader that could be asked to operate in areas where electricity might be hard to come by. And, <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/05\/21\/volvo-ce-brings-mobile-charging-to-the-construction-job-site\/\">while Volvo is working on ways to bring power to the job site<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/01\/26\/moog-modular-battery-concept-for-heavy-equipment-is-too-smart-to-ignore\/\">Moog is working on modular batteries to do the same thing<\/a>, Liebherr is pushing hydrogen combustion as a solution for job sites that require hundreds of kW of work to be done on a single shift.<\/p>\n<p>And, as an off-road solution, it\u2019s worth noting that MW-scale batteries would be so heavy, using current technology, that they\u2019re just as likely to sink into the mud and earth as they are to effectively move it.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-liebherr-l-566-h-wheel-loader\">Liebherr L 566 H wheel loader<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignwide size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" src=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1024\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-370612\" srcset=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?resize=150,100 150w, https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?resize=300,200 300w, https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?resize=768,512 768w, https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?resize=1024,683 1024w, https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?resize=350,233 350w, https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2_event-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?resize=140,93 140w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Liebherr L 566 H and MAN hydrogen semi; via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.liebherr.com\/en\/gbr\/latest-news\/news-press-releases\/detail\/news_359426.html\">Liebherr<\/a>.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Though Liebherr didn\u2019t release any specs on its L 566 H, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.constructionequipment.com\/earthmoving\/news\/55093288\/liebherr-premiers-prototype-hydrogen-loader#:~:text=Although%20specs%20were%20not%20released%2C%20the%20diesel%2Dpowered%20L%20566%20Liebherr%20wheel%20loader%20has%20an%20operating%20weight%20range%20of%2051%2C700%20pounds%20to%2058%2C310%20pounds%20and%20carries%20buckets%20with%20capacities%20ranging%20from%204.6%20cubic%20yards%20to%2015.7%20cubic%20yards\">the diesel-powered\u00a0L 566 Liebherr wheel loader\u00a0has an operating weight range of up to 58,310 pounds<\/a>, and is capable of carrying buckets up to 15.7 cubic yards (for context, a full-sized pickup bed has a 2-3 yard capacity and can haul about one yard of sand and gravel).<\/p>\n<p>The L566 H is expected to perform at least as well as its diesel-fueled counterpart, but with a fraction of the tailpipe emissions.<\/p>\n<p>That said, getting the hydrogen to the tractor remains as big a problem as getting electricity to it. \u201cTo make progress in hydrogen research, we need to have access to hydrogen,\u201d says Dr. Ing. Herbert Pfab, Chief Technical Officer of Liebherr Bischofshofen. \u201cWe built this filling station (at the Liebherr plant in Bischofshofen) to further advance our goals for decarbonizing construction machinery.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-electrek-s-take\">Electrek\u2019s Take<\/h2>\n<div class=\"wp-block-jetpack-tiled-gallery aligncenter is-style-rectangular\">\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"tiled-gallery__gallery\">\n<div class=\"tiled-gallery__row\">\n<div class=\"tiled-gallery__col\">\n<figure 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wp-lightbox-container\"><img decoding=\"async\" data-wp-init=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on--click=\"actions.showLightbox\" data-wp-on--load=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" data-wp-on-window--resize=\"callbacks.setButtonStyles\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2-wheel-loader-refuelling-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?strip=info&amp;w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w,https:\/\/i1.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2-wheel-loader-refuelling-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?strip=info&amp;w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w\" alt=\"\" data-height=\"533\" data-id=\"370623\" data-link=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/?attachment_id=370623\" data-url=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2024\/07\/liebherr-l566-h2-wheel-loader-refuelling-bischofshofen_96dpi.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all\" data-width=\"800\" 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all it wats, but the reality of this cynical cash grab can be seen in the first press photo (at top). If you can\u2019t see it: <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/04\/13\/man-to-build-200-hydrogen-trucks-to-prove-that-hydrogen-doesnt-work\/\">it\u2019s the MAN truck<\/a>. One of 200 examples of a hydrogen combustion semi built to prove that the tech isn\u2019t ready.<\/p>\n<p>MAN Truck\u2019s notoriously hydrogen-skeptical CEO, Alexander Vlaskamp, told reporters that it was, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.expansion.com\/empresas\/motor\/2024\/01\/10\/659eba48468aeb1c578b4591.html#:~:text=Es%20imposible%20competir%20con%20la%20tecnolog%C3%ADa%20el%C3%A9ctrica%20de%20bater%C3%ADas\">impossible for hydrogen to effectively compete with battery electric trucks<\/a>,\u201d back in January. \u201cToday you cannot buy hydrogen for less than 13 or 14 euros \u2026 and it is not green.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Frankly, <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/07\/02\/hydrogen-trucks-retreat-from-australia-as-battery-electric-sales-surge\/\">not much has changed since then<\/a> \u2013\u00a0and it\u2019s hard to look at these hydrogen projects as anything, <a href=\"https:\/\/observatory.clean-hydrogen.europa.eu\/hydrogen-landscape\/financial-tools-and-incentives\">other than a means to funnel some hydrogen incentive money into the corporate coffers<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s my take. If you can think of another one, let us know about it in the comments.<\/p>\n<p><strong>SOURCES | IMAGES<\/strong>: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.liebherr.com\/en\/gbr\/latest-news\/news-press-releases\/detail\/news_359426.html\">Liebherr<\/a>, via <a href=\"https:\/\/www.constructionequipment.com\/earthmoving\/news\/55093288\/liebherr-premiers-prototype-hydrogen-loader\">Construction Equipment<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad-disclaimer-container\" readability=\"6.3518518518519\">\n<p class=\"disclaimer-affiliate\"><em>FTC: We use income earning auto affiliate links.<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/about\/#affiliate\">More.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><!-- post ad --><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Liebherr is pressing ahead with its efforts to phase out fossil fuels on its job sites, but they don\u2019t think battery-electric is the best solution for the heaviest heavy equipment \u2013\u00a0and the company\u2019s latest hydrogen-powered wheel loader seems like it\u2019s struggling to prove that point. 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