{"id":76427,"date":"2024-09-02T13:07:52","date_gmt":"2024-09-02T17:07:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/autosector.com\/?p=76427"},"modified":"2024-09-02T13:07:52","modified_gmt":"2024-09-02T17:07:52","slug":"hacker-reveals-tesla-gathering-extra-data-robotaxi-launch-site","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/autosector.com\/?p=76427","title":{"rendered":"Hacker reveals Tesla is gathering extra data around its Robotaxi launch site"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"img-border featured-image\">\n\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" width=\"1600\" height=\"714\" src=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/02\/Tesla-Full-Self-Driving-Beta-smear-campaign.jpg?quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1600\" class=\"skip-lazy wp-post-image\" alt=\"Tesla Full Self-Driving Beta smear campaign\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/02\/Tesla-Full-Self-Driving-Beta-smear-campaign.jpg?w=320&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 320w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/02\/Tesla-Full-Self-Driving-Beta-smear-campaign.jpg?w=640&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/02\/Tesla-Full-Self-Driving-Beta-smear-campaign.jpg?w=1024&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/electrek.co\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2023\/02\/Tesla-Full-Self-Driving-Beta-smear-campaign.jpg?w=1500&amp;quality=82&amp;strip=all&amp;ssl=1 1500w\" decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\"\/><\/figure>\n<p>A hacker has revealed that Tesla has launched a new data gathering around the site where it plans to unveil its Robotaxi next month.<\/p>\n<p>It is raising questions about what the automaker is going to demonstrate at the event.<\/p>\n<p><span id=\"more-378065\"\/><\/p>\n<p>While most other self-driving ride services, like Waymo and Cruise, focus on making their system work in geo-fenced city areas using mapping, Tesla has always claimed to differentiate itself by having a broader approach that involves developing a self-driving system closer to how human drives \u2013 meaning that it could virtually drive wherever without pre-mapping the area or even having an internet connection.<\/p>\n<p>Tesla aims to develop a system that can drive like humans, replacing eyes and brains with cameras and neural nets.<\/p>\n<p>The automaker is not quite there despite its CEO, Elon Musk, claiming that Tesla would achieve this by the end of every year since 2018.<\/p>\n<p>Tesla first unveiled its plans for a self-driving system with a video demonstration back in 2016. <\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed alignwide is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\">\n<p>\n<iframe id=\"post-youtube-video-1\" title=\"Autopilot Full Self Driving Demonstration Nov 18 2016 Realtime Speed\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/VG68SKoG7vE?feature=oembed&amp;rel=0&amp;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen=\"\">[embedded content]<\/iframe>\n<\/p>\n<\/figure>\n<p>The video has since become really controversial because it was produced by using a predetermined route that was 3D mapped ahead of time. Tesla also ran that route several times to optimize the performance.<\/p>\n<p>In testimony as part of <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2023\/01\/17\/real-story-behind-tesla-staged-self-driving-video\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">a lawsuit over this situation<\/a>, Ashok Elluswamy, director of Autopilot software\u00a0at Tesla, confirmed that it wasn\u2019t representative of the capabilities of Tesla\u2019s system at the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\" readability=\"6\">\n<p>\u201cThe intent of the video was not to accurately portray what was available for customers in 2016. It was to portray what was possible to build into the system.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This led many people to claim that the video was \u201cfaked\u201d or \u201cstaged.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Eight years later, Tesla is now preparing to hold a similar launch, but this time is for its \u201cRobotaxi\u201d, a dedicated self-driving vehicle platform for autonomous ridesharing.<\/p>\n<p>We recently learned that Tesla plans to hold the event next month at <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/08\/31\/teslas-oct-10-robotaxi-event-will-be-at-warner-bros-studio-in-la\/\">the Warner Bros studio in Los Angeles.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Green, a well-known Tesla hacker who often reveals information about Tesla by going through the source code of its software updates, has now revealed that Tesla has launched new data collection campaign called \u201cWB Studio\u201d to gather extra data in the area where it plans to unveil the Robotaxi next month:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed alignwide is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\" readability=\"6.3993174061433\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\" readability=\"6.8259385665529\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">So I guess recent Bloomberg news piece explains why Tesla started extensive data collection in &#8220;WB Studio&#8221; area 4 or so days ago.<br \/>This is in addition to other areas like Tesla Diner, various SF and Bay Area pieces and so on. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/NO4Bprugak\">pic.twitter.com\/NO4Bprugak<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 green (@greentheonly) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/greentheonly\/status\/1830339085556170816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 1, 2024<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<p>Tesla uses its customer fleet to gather road and driving data, which it uses to improve its neural nets that power its self-driving system.<\/p>\n<p>However, some believe this is Tesla pulling the same trick as with the 2016 self-driving video.<\/p>\n<p>Recent reports have amplified this suspicion. Tesla insiders recently reported that <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/07\/09\/tesla-insiders-say-elon-optimized-full-self-driving-routes-for-himself-influencers\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Tesla focused its data annotation resources on routes taken by Elon Musk and other \u2018VIPs\u2019<\/a>, who were often Tesla influencers who posted FSD videos.<\/p>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-electrek-s-take\">Electrek\u2019s Take<\/h2>\n<p>Knowing Tesla, the Robotaxi unveiling will not be as simple as showing a new vehicle designed to operate a robotaxi service. It will likely involve some demonstration of the vehicle\u2019s capability.<\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s fair to have some concerns about Tesla showing a level of capacity, like they did in 2016, that the vehicle is still unable to achieve in its customer version 8 years later.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not saying that the same thing is going to happen with the Robotaxi, but a robotaxi vehicle is not really useful if you haven\u2019t solved self-driving yet. Tesla will need to show progress on that front and right now, <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/2024\/08\/01\/tesla-full-self-driving-data-makes-elon-musk-reduce-expectations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">the data from the FSD program is not showing a lot of progress<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The other option is for Tesla to launch a geo-fenced robotaxi service like Waymo. That could explain the more specific data collection, but it would also be Tesla backing away from what makes its self-driving system different from the competition.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad-disclaimer-container\" readability=\"6.3518518518519\">\n<p class=\"disclaimer-affiliate\"><em>FTC: We use income earning auto affiliate links.<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/electrek.co\/about\/#affiliate\">More.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><!-- post ad --><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A hacker has revealed that Tesla has launched a new data gathering around the site where it plans to unveil its Robotaxi next month. It is raising questions about what the automaker is going to demonstrate at the event. 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